Transcript of Gloria Cain’s Interview on Fox News with Greta Van Susteren

Monday night November 14th, 2011, Greta Van Susteren sat down with Gloria Cain in an exclusive interview.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Mrs. Cain, thank you for doing this.

GLORIA CAIN, WIFE OF HERMAN CAIN: Thank you for having me.

VAN SUSTEREN: You’re not nervous, are you?

G. CAIN: Very.

VAN SUSTEREN: You are. Well, don’t be. Don’t be. All right, let’s — let’s do this.

G. CAIN: OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: Let’s start with the — some of the painful stuff —

G. CAIN: OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: And then let’s move to the fun stuff.

G. CAIN: OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK?

G. CAIN: Let’s do it.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. I assume, in the past two weeks, you’ve seen all the accusations.

G. CAIN: Yes. Yes. Yes I’ve — the first week -and-a-half , I think I was in shock because I didn’t see it coming. And there was such ugly things said. And I kept thinking, who are these people talking about? This — this isn’t Herman.

After about a week and a half of watching the news and everybody has an opinion, I decided not to watch any more news. And at that point, I could tell my spirit started to lift. And I know the person that he is. And I know that the person that they were talking about, I don’t know who that person is. We’ve been married for 43 years. And if I haven’t seen parts of that person in 43 years, I don’t think I’m that simple that I would miss something that significant.

So after about a week and-a-half of listening, I decided, OK, enough is enough. Everybody has an opinion. But they don’t know Herman.

VAN SUSTEREN: How did you first hear about this? Did Mr. Cain sort of give you a tip-off that this stuff was coming?

G. CAIN: I think — when was that — that Sunday night he mentioned something in passing, there may be a news story coming out, I’m not sure, and it deals with sexual harassment. And I’m thinking, well, it’s just hearsay or whatever. And then on the news that night I started seeing the actual story. And it started to snowball.

So at that point — I really didn’t know what hit me at that point. But it started that Sunday night, when the news story first hit the media. That was my first knowing about it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you, at any point in the — the week or two weeks that followed after that, did you pull him aside and cross-examined him and say, OK, you know, Herman, what’s the story or what’s the real story? Did you do this or not do this?

G. CAIN: Yes, of course, because I wanted to know, are there any accusations — do you remember any of these people? Do you remember anything happening that — that was considered sexual harassment or what?

And he kept saying no. He told me about the first lady who made the accusation through the National Restaurant Association. And for some reason, that rang a bell, because years ago, I think when he first mentioned something about there were some accusations of harassment.

And I said, oh, well, is there anything to it? He said, no. And from that point on, I think the next thing he said was the accusations were deemed not reliable or unfounded. They were unfounded. And that was the end of that. That was, what, 15 years ago.

And from that point on, we had never even said anything else about it. So it was totally a shock and to think that I couldn’t understand, even with that, if a person is so hurt or traumatized because of something you allege happened to you, why would you wait 15 years to say something about it?

I think if it were me, I would have to say something right away. I couldn’t live with something that hurt me to that extent. So when he said it was unfounded and we didn’t speak anything else about it, it was said and done. It was just done.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then there was the second one, which is a much more graphic allegation, essentially of a — of a woman coming to Washington.

G. CAIN: Now that one — I totally don’t believe. I watched her on the news that day because I wanted to hear her specific allegations.

And the things that she was saying, I’m sitting there thinking, you weren’t in the car with Herman. I don’t know where you have been, but I know Herman Cain. And I know he has — he has always had too much respect for women to treat them in any type of — type of negative way. That wasn’t a part of his being.

We — we dated for a year. We were engaged for a year. We’ve been married for 43 years. He is so — I guess if — if you understand what old school is, of that generation where men still wanted to open the doors for women. And if you’re walking along the street, he wants me to walk on the outside, next to the curb. It’s not just me. It’s any woman he’s walking with, because old school people think they’re — they’re supposed to be women protectors. So there’s — if anything is going to happen, if mud is going to get thrown on him, if a car is going to go out of control, he’s the type of person who would rather be there and get hit first rather than have the woman walking on the outside.

He’s always been that type of person. So to hear such graphic allegations and know that that would have been something that was totally disrespectful of her as a woman, and I know that’s not the person he is. He totally respects women.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any chance — and I’ve got to ask you the question. I mean women always think their husbands — the very public thing with their wives of many years of whom they, you know, love and have a family, that there’s another little side of them off to the side with the — where they have some extra-curricular activity.

G. CAIN: No, because his conscience would bother him. His conscience would bother him. And he couldn’t look you straight in the eye. And I can usually tell if there — if there is something wrong, it’s like, well, I was supposed to go such and such a place or whatever. His conscience bothers him to the point where he would say something to me.

So, yes, I know the type of women that you’re thinking about that the little woman at home is the last to know. But I never see myself as being the little woman at home. And I’ve always said, when I’ve seen stories like that, I will not be one of those people who will stand up on stage with a smile and knowing that you were wrong. I’m not going to do that. So you know not to do anything wrong because you will be there by yourself.

So he knows how I feel. I seriously, in my soul, don’t think he’s that type of person.

VAN SUSTEREN: How has it been on the family? You’ve got kids, grandchildren.

G. CAIN: My daughter was angry, but she knows her dad, also. He’s an outgoing person, but he’s always been very respectful to people. So everybody who knows him knows he’s outgoing. That’s different from being disrespectful or having any type of harassing natures.

(CROSSTALK)

G. CAIN: Yes. Well, my son, it was Monday night before he even saw the story. And he text me to this is ridiculous. This is just very ridiculous. And he says to me, when do you get your chance to tell your side of the story so that you can shut this down?

They know him, also. People who have been around him know him.

VAN SUSTEREN: You’ve been married a long time. Troubles in your marriage — and I hate to ask this but that’s a, you know, it’s a long marriage. And it’s a good thing it’s a long marriage.

G. CAIN: Yes. Yes. Yes, there have been troubles. There have been times when — and when people always say I’ve been happily married for 43 years, I usually tell them, that’s not true. We have loved each other for 43 years. He’s happy sometimes. I’m happy sometimes. There’s times when he makes me angry. I’ll go to another room. The times when he makes — when I make him angry, he’ll go to another room.

So we have the times when we don’t agree. But we eventually talk about what the situation is and at that point, we still may not agree, but we leave it alone. It’s like, OK, you have your opinion and I have mine. And we move on.

VAN SUSTEREN: But you’ve never split up in the 43, separated, or anything like that?

G. CAIN: No. No. No.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of watching all this unfold, does it make you dislike the process?

G. CAIN: Extremely. Extremely, because it made me realize you can live your whole life trying to be respectful, trying to be faithful, trying to have faith, just trying to treat people right and anyone can come from anyplace and say whatever they want to say about you.

The problem with that is there are people who will believe that person over you. And to know that you’re being honest and you’re telling the truth and then you have to try to prove that you’re telling the truth, that’s probably one of the worst feelings that a person can have, to be telling the truth and then have to try to prove you’re telling the truth, all because someone can come and say anything they want to about you.

And that can happen. If it happened to us, it can happen to anyone. And that’s sad.

VAN SUSTEREN: How do voters know whether to believe the women or Mr. Cain on any of this?

G. CAIN: I think they have to look within themselves. And you have to get to a point of relying on your own instincts and just coming to a decision on your own, I don’t know if those people will ever be able to be 100 percent sure.

Since all of this has happened — I’ve been out around in my neighborhood. And people who know me and who know Herman, you can still get this little feeling that they’re even wondering, well, could this be true?

And that’s a very hurtful thing. And people don’t realize that when — when you thrown — when you — when those people threw mud on Herman, they didn’t think about the fact that you’re throwing mud on the wife or the spouse, you’re throwing mud on the children. And we all have to endure what you’re doing. And it’s worse when you know that some of the things that these people are saying, no.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any part of you at all that wonders whether maybe there’s a little piece whether this could be true?

G. CAIN: No. Because I keep going back through it. Now, in the beginning, I started thinking in my mind, could I have missed something?

But then I always go back to the beginning. No, I’m not missing anything. I know Herman. I know him. Now that was one other thing — and I’m one of those people and I have this thing of putting the pieces together. So it’s like power of – what — deduction. I look at especially this last lady and the things that she said. And I’m thinking, he would have to have a split personality to do the things that she said.

And I — I hadn’t even mentioned it to Herman. I said, has anyone mentioned the fact that — and I know to some people, it won’t make a difference, but it makes a difference to me. No one has mentioned the fact that during that time when Herman was working with the National Restaurant Association, he had a little lady who was his assistant. And she loved Mr. Cain. She just loved Mr. Cain.

This lady was an ordained minister. And they used to get into discussions concerning scripture. And they just had this way of just being able to connect with each other on a spiritual level, along with the business level. And see, this is another thing about when people throw allegations around, with me saying this, there will be some people who will take very innocent comments and if your mind is going toward that gutter mentality, they will always be able to try and put some type of gutter meaning to whatever you say, no matter what you’re saying. Their minds will always go back to that type of mentality.

But this little lady was a true Christian. Like I said, she was an ordained minister. And it’s like, OK, you’d have to have a split personality. You would have to not feel any guilt whatsoever to be able to do the things that this woman accused him of doing and then have this lady, who you knew was an ordained minister. It’s like those two things just — I — I don’t think the average person — I don’t think anyone would be able to function on a playing field like that.

This type of mentality on this side and this type of — no, I don’t believe it.

VAN SUSTEREN: After the first woman — but after the second woman, rather, when the more graphic descriptions came out — did you confront him about that one and say, what’s up with that, or not?

G. CAIN: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say anything to you?

G. CAIN: No. I heard his comments with his news conference.

VAN SUSTEREN: You didn’t ask him — you didn’t, the two of you when you were together you didn’t ask him?

G. CAIN: No, because I listened to what she said. And I’m thinking, no, I’m sorry. That’s — some of the things that you’re saying about him, that’s not Herman. So, no, I didn’t ask him about that. And I’m not being naive.

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VAN SUSTEREN: Has it been exciting to be married to Herman Cain or exhausting?

G. CAIN: Exhausting.

VAN SUSTEREN: That’s what it sounds like.

G. CAIN: Exhausting. Even now, exhausting.

VAN SUSTEREN: Would he be a good president?

G. CAIN: I think he would. I think he’d be a great president…

(CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Just think he would?

G. CAIN: Yeah – yeah, I think he would. I think he would try to make a difference. He would. That’s the one reason he’s doing this. And if I didn’t understand that, I would not agree with it. I know it’s his way of trying to make a difference.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever thought about living in the White House, in that bubble?

G. CAIN: Sometimes I let myself go there. But then I try to pull myself back, in that I don’t want to start projecting too far in the future, because then I would worry more. So I try to take one day at a time. And in that way, if or when that happens, then I have faith that the Lord will have me ready to do whatever I need to do that’s going to help him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Are you tough?

G. CAIN: At times.

VAN SUSTEREN: Strong?

G. CAIN: At times.

VAN SUSTEREN: Tell me, how old were you when you met Herman Cain?

G. CAIN: I think maybe 18, 19.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember the first time you saw him?

G. CAIN: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Think he was cute?

G. CAIN: He was OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just OK?

G. CAIN: He was OK.

(LAUGHTER)

VAN SUSTEREN: Just OK?

G. CAIN: He was OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, what was — I mean — what was the problem? I mean a guy that’s just OK is not — I mean, I’ve got to tell you, I don’t think OK is a…

G. CAIN: I think maybe I had a boyfriend at the time.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who was not OK, who was better, right?

G. CAIN: At that point, but he fell by the wayside. And so…

VAN SUSTEREN: So Herman Cain was just OK?

G. CAIN: He was OK. He was — he was nice. But I wasn’t interested in meeting someone at that time.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where did you meet him? Where did you see him?

G. CAIN: His family — his father owned a little neighborhood grocery store. And Herman worked part-time, I think during college, at the store. I had a very good friend from church, who happened to live down the street from the little grocery store.

And that weekend my friend was having a party. And she wanted me to stay overnight with her. So that particular day, earlier in the day, we were walking down the street. She had a letter to mail. The mailbox was literally across the street from this little store. So we are walking down the street, and he’s standing out on the corner in front of the store — because there were no customers at that point — with his hands in his pocket, and just happy-go-lucky.

And when my friend started to talk with him, she said, I want you to meet my little sister. And he wanted to know, your little sister? She said, yes, this is the little sister I’ve been trying to introduce you to. She did not tell him she referred to me as her little sister because I was a year younger than she was. So she just referred to me as her little sister, but we were about the same height, you know, the same weight and everything. So he, at that point, became interested.

“So this is Little Sister.” So he starts talking. And I’m thinking, who is he? Why is he talking so much? She introduced us. We talked a little bit. We went back to her house. That night, we had a — she had the party. I was there. Herman was there.

I was introduced to a friend of theirs, who was already attending the school I was about to start attending. So I’m interested in talking with her and Herman is interested in talking with me. It’s like why is he still talking? Why doesn’t he just go away?

But he kept talking. And he kept talking. It’s like, OK. I think, for the next year, he would drop by my school. If I saw him on the other side of the bridge, it’s like, why is he here? Why does he keep showing up? I just — he just talked all the time. And I just did not like that. So I avoided him…

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you know that he was deliberately doing this? I mean were you clued in that he was obviously interested in you?

G. CAIN: I kind of knew, but I wasn’t interested in him.

VAN SUSTEREN: At all?

G. CAIN: At all. At all. But I think this went on for about a year. And the following year at Christmas, I think a friend gave him my phone number. And he called. We must have talked on the phone for two hours. And at that point, I appreciated the personality. He was smart. He always just had this laughing, bubbly personality. And I got to understand more about him.

I thought at one point he was egotistical. That was one reason why I just didn’t want to be bothered with him. But after talking with him for two hours on the phone, it’s like, no, that’s not ego. That’s more confidence than ego. And we, at that point, set a date to go to a movie and get something to eat. And from that point on, we started dating.

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VAN SUSTEREN: Mr. Cain, glad you joined us. I learned two things about you today. Number one is you’re persistent. You pursued her, it wasn’t easy, didn’t sound easy, was not easy. And you talk too much.

HERMAN CAIN, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, I have been accused of being articulate.

VAN SUSTEREN: Articulate?

(LAUGHTER)

H. CAIN: But, yes. That was what she reminded me of when we first met, which is why it took a year before I could get a date. I didn’t know to stop talking. So finally we got there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I grilled her, too, on the recent stuff that’s come out. She believes you, she’s behind you.

H. CAIN: Yes, yes, one – two hundred percent.

VAN SUSTEREN: Two hundred percent?

H. CAIN: Two hundred percent, absolutely no doubt in my mind. And you know what? That’s one of the most comforting things about going through all of this, because if your family had doubts in you, about the stuff that’s being shown on TV, it would really be crushing. And I would really have to ask myself could I go on. But I know that my family believes me because they know me, as she said, they know me. That is very comforting.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so what was it that you hung around the school for like a year, and you’re like — you’re almost like a stalker to her, you know, while she’s like trying to go to school, and you talk too much and, you know, you were so persistent until you had a conversation that changed on the phone but, like, what was it that you…

H. CAIN: Well…

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you like about her?

H. CAIN: Well, I did not have a steady girlfriend. She was in college, I was in college.

VAN SUSTEREN: You sound like a reject at this point.

(CROSSTALK)

G. CAIN: So here we go –

H. CAIN: No, no, no.

G. CAIN: I was one of many.

H. CAIN: I did — you know, I did not have a steady…

VAN SUSTEREN: One of many?

H. CAIN: … steady girlfriend…

G. CAIN: …calls that night.

H. CAIN: She didn’t tell you that when we went on that first date, that very first date, I didn’t date anybody else from that point on, neither did she. We knew then. I had scheduled my Christmas dating list for the week. I canceled all of them after I took her out that first time.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where’d you take her?

H. CAIN: We went to a movie.

VAN SUSTEREN: What movie, do you remember?

H. CAIN: Charlton Heston, “Number One”.

VAN SUSTEREN: Oh, you both remember it.

H. CAIN: Yes, it was out at Lenox Square in Atlanta, Charlton Heston, “Number One”.

VAN SUSTEREN: Put your arm around her in the movie?

H. CAIN: Maybe once or twice. Yes. I didn’t try to get fresh, like not the first date, but then here’s the — here’s the funny thing that happened on the date. She’ll tell you this, too, I didn’t have a lot of money. In fact, I had just enough money to buy the tickets to the movie, I did buy some popcorn and a Coca-Cola. And after, I said, would you like to go and get something to eat. She said yes. I’m going, I’m in trouble now. I didn’t have any money in my pocket.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, why’d you ask that then?

H. CAIN: Well, that’s the — that’s the — that’s the gentlemanly thing to do. So — but get this, she bailed me out. We go to this drive-in burger place called The Split T (ph). Wasn’t that the name of it?

G. CAIN: Yes, I think so.

H. CAIN: The Split T (ph). And so we drive up and I’m — I had a couple of more dollars left, and so I’m thinking to myself, OK, I said — so the — and they would wait on you at the car, a guy comes over. “You know what you want to order yet?”

I said, “No, not yet.” So the guy would go back and he’d come back. So I said, well, do you know what you would like? And she said, well, I’m not really that hungry. I said, OK. I took the ticket off the car, took her home, OK, saved me that time. You’re not that hungry? OK, well we can just go, you know, we don’t really have to stay.

VAN SUSTEREN: You’re shaking your head.

G. CAIN: But the other thing was, all during the movie, I’m sitting there and I’m thinking, I am so hungry. I will be happy when this is over and we can get something to eat. I know I want a hamburger and I want some French fries, and I’m thinking, OK, movie is over and we’re going to get something to eat.

But then I try to be cute and not seem greedy. And when he said, well, would you like something to eat, I thought I’d pause and at least make it sound, you know, nice. “I’m not that hungry,” and he says, “OK,” and took the thing — it’s like — what just happened?

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Who’s the disciplinarian for the kids growing up in this family?

G. CAIN: I think I was more so, because he traveled.

H. CAIN: Yes.

G. CAIN: And then one or two times, he disciplined them — with our daughter, all he had to say was, I’m going to spank you, and she’d fall out crying, her feelings would be…

VAN SUSTEREN: Is this is the one who’s turning 40?

G. CAIN: Yes.

H. CAIN: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

G. CAIN: So he really never spanked her.

VAN SUSTEREN: You won’t believe what she did to you.

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON, DAUGHTER OF HERMAN AND GLORIA CAIN: Told my age.

VAN SUSTEREN: Yes.

(LAUGHTER) (CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you believe that she did that to you? Could you believe she did that to you on TV?

HERMAN CAIN: Mom threw you under the bus.

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, anyway, it’s nice to meet all of you. But is this fun for you, by the way, or is this painful, going through this whole process?

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: No, it’s exciting and…

VINCENT CAIN, SON OF HERMAN AND GLORIA CAIN: Very exciting. This is an experience.

VAN SUSTEREN: It is?

VINCENT CAIN: Definitely an experience. Oh, yes. It’s exciting.

VAN SUSTEREN: It is? Well, your mother said that your father talks too much.

(CROSSTALK)

VINCENT CAIN: He’s got a lot to say.

(LAUGHTER)

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: We’re immune to it, that’s what it is.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don’t listen?

VINCENT CAIN: You learn to listen well.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don’t listen?

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: We listen well, yeah.

VINCENT CAIN: We listen well.

VAN SUSTEREN: Alright, growing up – who’s the disciplinarian, between the two?

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: Probably both.

VAN SUSTEREN: Really? See I would have thought your father would be a pushover for you. Fathers always —

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: It was both.

(CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Oh look at this, what’s this?

HERMAN CAIN: Who is this, sneaking into the picture?

VAN SUSTEREN: Who is this? We got one more – come on bring them all in.

VINCENT CAIN: Come on in. This is Preston.

VAN SUSTEREN: How old are you, Preston?

HERMAN CAIN: Nicknamed Bam Bam.

VAN SUSTEREN: Bam Bam? And…?

CELENA JACKSON, GRANDDAUGHTER OF HERMAN AND GLORIA CAIN: Celena.

VAN SUSTEREN: Celena, how old are you?

CELENA JACKSON: I’m 12.

VAN SUSTEREN: And how old are you Preston?

PRESTON JACKSON, GRANDSON OF HERMAN AND GLORIA CAIN: Seven.

VAN SUSTEREN: Seven?

KAROL CAIN, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW OF HERMAN AND GLORIA CAIN: I’m Karol.

VINCENT CAIN: This is my wife, Karol.

VAN SUSTEREN: I’m not going to ask you your age.

GLORIA CAIN: She’s a baby still.

VAN SUSTEREN: She’s still a baby?

GLORIA CAIN: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: So are you guys having fun with this whole campaign thing or is it a shock?

KAROL CAIN: It’s shocking.

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: Shocking. But it’s interesting. Definitely interesting.

VAN SUSTEREN: In what way?

VINCENT CAIN: Positively shocking.

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: Well because you never know what’s going to happen from day to day.

GRETA: Are you interested in politics?

MELANIE CAIN-JACKSON: We are now.

(LAUGHTER)

VAN SUSTEREN: Anyway, well, thank you all very much for taking a day with us.

HERMAN CAIN: It’s been great.

VAN SUSTEREN: It’s going to be an interesting campaign.

GLORIA CAIN: Yes, it is.

VAN SUSTEREN: And there’ll be good times and bad times.

HERMAN CAIN: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Fun times and not-so-fun times, but never dull, it will never be dull.

HERMAN CAIN: That right. Well, thank you — thank you, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you.

HERMAN CAIN: Thank you very much.

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